With self/mod imposed restraints, it becomes a slog. It had 12 infantry battalions, 4 artillery, and 4 anti tank. Pre-LR I got kicked while playing as the Soviets for inviting Republican Spain to the Comintern. This type of variety is really fun in a co-op lobby, but (especially larger scale) PvP HOI4 is horribly suited to alt-history scenarios from a gameplay and balancing perspective. The buildup is important and has a lot of strategy, such as what kind of divisions you use etc.. picks option that immediately ends the game, is confused when banned by the players who actually wanted to have a game. That much should be obvious, but for the Allies it can be crippling because they don't get the War Tension, so they rearm later, which just snowballs into them being too weak to contest Germany. ", POV: you don't know what's the difference between a historical and meme game, POV you just ruined like 30 people's game for a Le funny meme. Plus, delaying it will allow france to get rid of their political crises and not burst into civil war. I mean the ban is fair, you just wasted everyone's time in that lobby. I never really go for tanks. Same here when I fortified the shit out of Waloonia/the Ardennes and the Meuse river as Belgium. I have a fascist France-Italy-Germany-Spain alliance once. Need a competent convoy protector Italy and a competent Hungary. Everyone just compete to see who can get the biggest font? Of course it's better for the Axis to not do Rhineland first. Nah, not every Multiplayer Server is the same, and the game is amazing with real people. doesn't sond like a disagree when you mention that finding the right people is tough. There are always a lot of variations, the skill gap is huge and execution is never the same. Some people just cant handle tactics. Well, maybe once or twice, but not as a regular thing. It is full of people expecting you to be an AI personality in their game. I love how the comments seem to be dominated by one guy whos been taking the meme personally. Speaking as someone who will never be interested in normal MP just join a server that isn't designed to be a completely balanced (mostly) experience. In short, I really disliked the multi-player games I tried. Probably thought Id be easy to defeat. I got banned for winning the civil war as republican Spain, guess they didnt think it was as cool as I did.
FIND OUT HOW HE DOES IT!!! I'm not sure if that would be better or not, but it was just a thought. like not every france player wants that, i wouldnt do it lmao. We would have maybe four or five people per match and This Guy would always play Soviets and do the exact same thing each match. The reason almost every server has some of these core rules, is because over trial and error everyone agreed it made the game better. 2 Core all the Balkans via the commie path and fight them by 1941. why they even allow you to play ethiopoa in the first place? Knowing that official statements to that effect are not taken at face value in the West, they have increasingly opened their country to inspection by western churchmen and have permitted some of them to preach from Russian pulpits. Competitive HOI4 players are absolute creatures. Aug 17 '21 Denying Rhineland abruptly ruins the buildup period and launches "WW2" far too early for most of the other players on the server to have even done anything yet. And the moment anyone deviated from a normal WW2 start he always got irritated. Ah yes, I'm certain most people would actively handicap themselves from an easy win in 1936 in a competitive server. This thread is just people with no MP experience crying about things they dont understand. If so then you know the answer. 3 >I cant think of another game that needs this, although Im sure there are a few anywayx. Maybe France and Britain could get a *massive* debuff if they enforce it, like civil war level kind of thing (people rising up against their warmongering government sort of scenario). The most interesting parts of HOI have always been the moments out of nowhere that flips it all on its head. bUt tHey ShoULd jUsT aDapT tO mY bRoKen stRaTegy, "Just let me adapt to hey wait guys why you leaving the game?? So as an act of war I started justifying against a player who was really strong. It's not about making a choice they don't like, is about ruining the game as soon as it starts. So it isn't a perfectly balanced game with no exploits? A lot of MP servers are historical, which gives you a timeframe to do certain things. I got banned as the USA. You could have picked Bulgaria too. Now, with that, Germany will almost always win the battle if Rhineland is denied, as France will have a civil war that will cripple their industry and forces, and with that, you just roll over the Maginot Line and boom, France's gone. The naval disparity between the two powers massive even far beyond what people generally think. The other paradox games mp scenes arent as infested with nazis, for instance, making them superior by default, i disagree in your statement that hoi4 mp is the worst, because even tho hoi4 might have some shit people, its by far the most fun to play, and finding a good server isnt that difficult, its just often overlooked, the server im in, for example, is filled with pretty great people and very fun games, I play on directors cut mod with my steam group and its great , the only rules are no space marines and no eploiting. I don't even see it as a meme. I mean, don't play competitive games then? Their focus tree on Road to 56 actually makes them a viable nation to play. Ah, indeed, it does, but let's not forget that Germany already has almost 2 silent workhorses on Hitler alone, if you focus for an entire year in building up your industry, you will be way ahead France and UK in terms of troops and planes (and as long as your fleet is on your coasts, they shall be safe enough to work later as a shield on the channel). Good treatment has been alternated with persecution as has seemed to serve the interests of the Soviet state. So he could continue building factories for cheap with the pp decisions, and mass produce infantry equipment for super cheap that would free up a lot of my factories for other things. How to ruin 20 other peoples games instantly. The scope of the disparity is put most succinctly in a video by MilitaryHistoryVisualised where he shows just how many ships the US were pumping out in comparison to Japan. Yeah it's boring for a lot of people (me included) but some people seem to like trying to optimise their game. As for the start of the war in Europe. I wouldnt put it against him as ive got almost 2k hours and he has a lot less. Imagine if you set up a game your ready to spend hours playing only to be told "Fuck you I'm gonna force you into a no-win situation immediately". The entire point of HOI4 is to test your buildup strategy and deploy it in WW2. There are a lot of meme and RP servers. Can you read? It's just too much to endure for hours on end, that I never wanna play MP again. Reminds me of a buddy in an HOI4 group I used to do semi-casual MP games with. Spam 10w divs with support entrenchment and arty and you can field whats basically a full sized army by 41 with a good amount of fully equity 20w, lol next he gonna play germany forcing everyone to co-op luxemburg and still lose. Takes a while to assemble a lobby and get everyone ready just for the game to end immediately. Well if you deny Rhineland you also deny all the people in the lobby an actual game so it's pretty understandable that people actually want to have a HOI4 MP. Bulgaria already owned a few Balkan nations and was decently strong for that country. Communist Tactics Toward Religion, Shift in Russian Attitude Toward Religion. Obedience path as Manchuria with a Japanese player? It is worth noting, however, that first signs of change in the attitude of the Kremlin began to appear well in advance of the July 1955 meeting of heads of government. They were playing as Germany and they already secured Poland at this point. Normal MP is for balanced fun, RP is for doing whatever you want, It takes five minutes to restart the lobby and the game wouldve been going for max ten minutes i dont see the problem lmao.
Co-op shenanigans are the way. HOI4 is a WW2 game. I hate how multiplayer players despise alt history I find playing mp so bland. Any decent RP game you still cant deny Rheinland anyway. I just had to make my first message here responding this, but why do people always make Rhineland first? Yeah, let's say is not fun to get your focus tree blocked for a while (as a semi-main of Netherlands I hate it), but you have all that time to build up. And in a historical MP you can't just ignore them or ally them. This man just destroyed the strat of 15 other players! Makes sense to me, Paradox games are more or less inherently imbalanced since not every country was equally as powerful throughout history, so these limitations need to be put in place so each player has a roughly equal chance of winning. Russia, Japan, Italy, all axis minors, small allied minors. And this why I prefer co-op and not head to head MP games. No.
I can say by experience, altough frustating, my playtrhoughs as iran is teaching me a lot about hoi. It could be something the base game addresses. What like OP did by posting this and everyone else in the comments crying about how MP is balanced so they can't just choose the option that gives France Germany on a silver platter in 1936? Look at OP ruining everyone's fun by ending the game in 1936 meaning 99% of players couldn't do anything. Not anti tank. germany still cant stand a chance against france and UK, they only start getting stronger than them after like mid 1938, once they eat austria and czechoslovakia. r/hoi4 I mean, yes, but how much variety do you cut from doing this vs how much fun you "save"? If you want an opponent that does what you want there's options for forcing the ai to take certain focus paths. "Luxembourg must pick these focuses: (all focuses on order) if they don't then BANNED!!!" If we have to wait for the World of War experience then why people can't just do "Oppose Hitler". I experienced this once on a non hist vanilla game. I got kicked once cuz i declared war on poland as USSR cuz germany did not do DoW in 1942. a lot of rules in MP are unreasonable, like "OmG nO BlUePrInTs". It's not fun and most of the time youll enjoy a single player with AI mods more. This only blocks their expansion section of the focus tree temporarily, which isnt even really useful till Anschluss. Also possible. My tanks blitzed through him in like 30 seconds on 4 speed after i navally invaded him. not a meme tho, theres always a workaround, if the they have forts, then bomb, if your divisions arent strong enough then paradrop ! im not saying they're not good, but it makes no sense to let then be playable, because what's gonna happen is either: they hold and ruin the Italian player's game, both options being not very fun for either player. But if you want a balanced historical game with a historical ww2, you have to set some rules for the build up. The combat, micro, managing when to start building what, who should be producing what and starting when, order of focuses and research, etc. Disagree. You can't just force a bunch of people to go along with it for your own enjoyment. Now I suggest we set the standard space marine banned as infantry with tanks in them. It's the rules. Historically, Japan never stood even the slightest chance against the United States and any Japan player should lose every single time against them. Something I found as a fun alternative for Manchuria, for a player who was very new to the game and didnt want to control all of China; was to let him go down the independent path but not take the focus that would actually declare war. It's less choreographed than people make it out to be. A human one can. Ill be honest here, the only time i play major(France) i left Europe like a coward losing half my tanks, but i cooperated with the others. Ive never played a multiplayer game of hoi4 but this makes me stay away. Germany is OP no doubt. Even if I enjoy some good hist MPs, I mostly prefer to play up non hist MPs, as they are less likely to be just a railroad, and Hist MPs (curiously, mostly in english ones) people tends to whine a lot about things not going the EXACT way they want, once I made 2 guys left a discord server, wanna know why? Sorry, I think the meaning of my message got mixed up a little. They cried about it, when the italian guy kept the Second Italo-Ethiopian War raging until 1938 just to farm Exp. I can understand that, for one of my friend claims he need to go meta in early game, and then just snowball effect. TF are you gonna have a fun WW2 game if you begin it by smashing both of Germany's legs in? You'd have more fun playing Tannu Tuva than Germany instantly at war and not having the time to get the tools needed to make it even remotely a fair fight. Yo, what's the discord server's name? Makes the co op focuses nicer when you have a human partner. So to what point are you all playing the same games over and over again then? I think the only time id play hoi online is with dudes who i know are cool like friends.
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