The common canard is that training trumps technology, but an air force with great technology but beset by political purges and struggling with maintenance problems and embargoes can still have a turkey shoot against an air force with both poor training and poor technology. The Mirage III itself shot-down 48 aircraft in the Six Day War, and another 106 during the Yom Kippur War, while the Nesher derivative achieved a startling 140 kills during the same war. The Fw-190 was generally considered superior to the Bf-109 because of its bigger engine (a BMW inline 12) and greater firepower. The IAF lost only 25 aircrafts since 1948. Falklands War (UK) 21-0-2, None kill in Malvinas war was in a dog fight. With respect to the F-15E and F/A-18, youre drawing a conclusion based on a total of four shoot-down events. How many a plane shoots is harder than shot down, as if theyre shot down, theyre on the ground. F-86s ended the war with a 10-to-1 kill ratio over the MiG-15s they faced. you wouldnt just happen to have an American inferiority complex and totally talking out of your backside here, right? So, the US Congress which can demand accurate records of weapon systems and accountability at anytime is just sitting there, for decades, having the wool pulled over their eyes because of what information exactly? Here is a compilation of claims by IAF pilots flying all types, all the way from 1948 to 2001. You bought into the propaganda hook, line, and sinker and deep down probable wish you were a tall, intelligent American coming out with latest and greatest stuff all the time. Half that plane was used to repair another non combat damaged F1AZ. also include that a f-16 was shot down by indian mig 21. https://theaviationist.com/2020/02/15/ir-video-shows-the-moment-a-saudi-tornado-attack-jet-was-shot-down-by-houthi-rebels-over-yemen/, Deine E-Mail-Adresse wird nicht verffentlicht. Also, since the list was made the F-22 Raptor has seen some combat, albeit limited (CAP & strike), yeb 1982 needed to addressed all the time with false propaganda as 100-0 86-0 some time 86-1 what ever you like but no one believes that at all Stop the propaganda, Nothing on the Harrier? The Tomcat didnt make this list because of its long service as the U.S. Navys front-line carrier-based fighter (in spite of the fact that Top Gun remains the greatest military movie of all time), but because the Iranian Air Force had more than 160 kills with it during the Iran-Iraq War. For example Saudi F-15 losses in yemen war and also UAE F-16 losses in yemen war. The F-22 will be retired in about 35 years with a probable near spotless record. Get a life, talk about your SU 30 shot down by PAF on 27 Feb 2019. Im not aware of any confirmed air-to-air losses. Considering Iraqi Fighter Pilots avoided them like the plague during desert storm (Preferring to be eaten by F-15Cs instead) strongly suggest that Iranian F-14s did indeed dominate Iraqi fighters in air. 4) Cf. The guy who gave you the BS record for the F15 also gave you the BS record for the F14. If F-15s are ever upgraded with LPI (Low Probability of Intercept) radar, like that of the F-22, the first clue an adversary will have of a nearby a F-15 is when his aircraft explodes from an IR missile impact. What an asshat. thanks for the effort. In Europe during the critical first three months of 1944 when the German aircraft industry and Berlin were heavily attacked, the P-47 shot down more German fighters than the P-51 (570 out of 873), and shot down approximately 900 of the 1,983 claimed during the first six months of 1944. I organized the data in a spreadsheet; then, we can improve the analysis. General James Doolittle told the fighters in early 1944 to stop flying in formation with the bombers and instead attack the Luftwaffe wherever it could be found. (Wikipedia). http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/airframe-profile/1205. Please show your facts on the F-15 hit to air losses you speak of. The USs has one of the LOWEST standards of living of 1st world countries like Japan or Germany.
Engagements in MiG Alley between the two aircraft were numerous, and that period is considered by many as the glory days of air-to-air warfare between jet aircraft. UNITA used Stinger missiles effectively to down several, a taxiing 23 was hit and destroyed by directed artillery strikes at Cuito airbase, and another 23 was shot down by AAA near the Caleque Dam. Often incorrectly called the Me 109, the Bf-109 remains the most produced fighter aircraft in history and was one of the Luftwaffes air-to-air workhorses. How ever few photos can tell also Much better the Brazalo/Brazalic air force. Educated guess that, all in all ,just sum it up ,you have to be at least it known,you know to say conservatively one called total of the kill ratio is 100 to 1. It is impossible to tabulate, for example, how many air-to-air victories were scored by Iranian F-14s because air force records were repeatedly tampered with during and after the war for political, religious, or even personal reasons As for Tom Cooper from ACIG.org, in the book mentioned in the first post he listed ALL Iranian CLAIMS to date for what they are claims, he didnt pretend they were all confirmed victories. One suggested correction several MiG-23 were lost to SAM and AAA in Angola. Came here looking for Isreali Mirage III kill ratios and they seem to be absent. Below you can find the details but first of all we would like to show you an overview, created by Wojtek Korsak, based on this article. Erforderliche Felder sind mit * markiert. Here ist the source: https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-23. I would also like to suggest that you improve the list by listing all jet combat wins. During Iran-Iraq war MiG-23 shot down no less 25 Iranian aircraft for loss only 4 MiG-23MF, 3 MiG-23ML and 2 MiG-23MS, at least one paki f-16 was shot down but was written off as friendly fire, dunno about 10 kills too albeit they scored some hitting fighter-bombers without a cover. https://www.dropbox.com/s/xiqs2077j4bp2ml/Modern_Figthers_Combat_Statistic.xlsx?dl=0. Also saudi arabia lost half a dozen F-15 a few years ago when they crashed over the persian gulf. The Mustang groups were sent in well before the bombers in a fighter sweep as a form of air supremacy action, intercepting German fighters while they were forming up. Theres only one confirmed kill, that of Indian Mig 21. Compare this to more modern fighters and one can see how aircraft design has outpaced SAM systems. As a result, the Luftwaffe lost 17 percent of its fighter pilots in just over a week, and the Allies were able to establish air superiority. The AESA and electronic warfare suite in the F-35 is what makes it survivable not the stealth.
That would not count as an air to air kill. What about the hundreds of aicraft shot down by Uruguayan stealth fighers using various advanced crawftsmanships and authentic ultra-technologies? (Wikipedia). All the new ships, weapon systems, missiles, satellites, even the new Jeeps are top of the line. F-16 had to claim SAM hits as the losses were too high to hide. The US lives on these foreign bases. An interesting fact here the F-15 once shot down a satellite! LOL! Would be moving the charts. It was a valid target. (Wikipedia), The Spitfire achieved legendary status during the Battle of Britain by racking up the highest victory-to-loss ratio among British aircraft. Not a mention for that Pakistan Viper being shot down by an indian Bison, in February 19. As usual Indian & Pakistanis fighting over country lines. Perhaps exact numbers for Iranian F-14 air kills will never be known. Really now? It was hushed up as Pakistan and Soviet Union were not at war. Ed Every, to a SA13 SAM on 20Feb88. The common canard is that training trumps technology, but an air force with great technology but beset by political purges and struggling with maintenance problems and embargoes can still have a turkey shoot against an air force with both poor training and poor technology.6) Su-27 is the only Russian fighter to have a positive kill ratio in combat, but as we all know this is likely due to monkey model export fighters, as well as the poor training standards of Arab air forces.7) The unbeaten (aircraft that have engaged in significant air combat but never been shot down in air-to-air combat): F-15 Eagle, Sea Harrier, Su-27. 2018 MiGFlug & Adventure GmbH. In Serbia Iljo Arizanov, in Bosnia Slobodan Peric , Slobodan Radosavljevic, its on Serbian language https://youtu.be/IZKMP8gnMCA, no such thing as awesome or interesx or dominax or not. I like this mindmap by Wojtek. So Pakistani agenda is full of lies as always. Hellcats were credited with 5,223 kills, more than any other Allied naval aircraft. Umm James Anderson so ok its probably not true that f 15s have a perfect record ( like when they say mechanical failure but really it is enemy fire) but its pretty dang close. 3) Looking at the losses of the F-4 to ground fire, one can see how big of a threat SAMs were in the 1960s and 1970s. One of the most widely used fighter aircraft in history, MiG-21s tallied impressive kill numbers during the Vietnam War, the Iran-Iraq War, and the India-Pakistan and Egypt-Israeli conflicts. Through constant design improvements and development by German engineers, the Bf 109 remained lethal in the face of allied technical advances throughout the war.
In the case of fighter aircraft, its all about the kills, and with that as the main selection criteria, heres WATMs list of the 18 greatest fighters of all time: The iconic aircraft behind the World War I success of Manfred von Richthofens Flying Circus was actually designed after a Sopwith Triplane crashed behind German lines in 1917. IAF demolished 50% of Pakistani airforce in 1971 and made them surrender with 93000 soldiers! Obviously ridiculous. Thank you for sharing! 2) I miss the IAI kfir, no longer in service with IAF, but still flying in South America, Btw, just discovered ur page and having a good time reading it, Your list has one MAJOR flaw : There is some degree of natural talent here but training, discipline, good avionics, and AWACS support can increase the effect of that talent exponentially. Is it the New Ford class Aircraft carriers? Hey there, thanks for sharing, its missing two of the most famous killers in numbers still in use: mirage III and mig 19. No evidence of F-15 shot down in air=air combat, which is why its believable. Compare it with the US, Sorry we lose in nearly everything nowadays compared with North Asia or Europe. Saudis lost around a dozen F-15s but the report in western media was filtered. Shell shock was a term that Dr. Charles Sign up for our newsletter and receive the mighty updates! The F-86 was the U.S. answer to the MiG-15 that had dominated the skies over Korea in the early part of that conflict. The USAF used to rely on dedicated aircraft for these functions (F-100F, F-105G, EF-4C, and F-4G) but now all the front-line aircraft carry the necessary electronics. Sea Harrier 21-0-3 No more propaganda. This is a list about air to air combat records. By signing up you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, MIGHTY NETWORKS, 2022 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED, What veterans need to know about healthcare tech. Really now, thats why they beg for our Treasury like kids wanting the latest fashions for school. If you dont believe one then why should you believe the other? In exercises, the F-22 can often achieve this advantage against fully upgraded F-15s and F-16s. F-14 Tomcat 135-4-4Vietnam (1975) (USA) 0-0-0Gulf of Sidra (USA) (1980) 2-0-0Lebanon 1983 (USA) 0-0-0Gulf of Sidra (1986) 0-0-0Gulf of Sidra (1989) 2-0-0Gulf War (USA) 1-0-1Iraq NFZs (USA) 0-0-0Bosnia (USA) 0-0-0Kosovo (USA) 0-0-0Afghanistan (USA) 0-0-0Iraq (USA) 0-0-0Iran-Iraq War (Iran) 130-4-4, F-4 Phantom 306-106-545Vietnam War (US Navy) 40-7-66Vietnam War (USMC) 3-1-74Vietnam War (USAF) 108-33-337Desert Storm (USAF) 0-0-1NFZs (Turkey) 0-0-0Soviet border clash 1976 (Iran) 1-0-0Dhofar War (Iran) 0-0-1Kurdish rebellion (Iran) 0-0-1Iran-Iraq War (Iran) 68-29-33Iran Gulf Clash 1984 (Iran) 0-1-0Kurdish Civil War (Iran) 0-0-1War of Attrition (Israel) 26-3-5Yom Kippur War (Israel) 55-28-22Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Israel) 4-3-1Lebanon War (1982) (Israel) 1-1-1Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Israel) 0-0-2Mirage 2000 1-0-1Gulf War (France, UAE) 0-0-0Bosnia (France) 0-0-1Kosovo (France) 0-0-0Afghanistan (France) 0-0-0Aegean Sea 1996 (Greece) 1-0-0Kargil War (India) 0-0-0Alto-Cenapa War (Peru) 0-0-0Sea Harrier 21-0-3Falklands War (UK) 21-0-2Gulf War (UK) 0-0-0Bosnia (UK) 0-0-1Kosovo (UK) 0-0-0Sierra Leone 2000 (UK) 0-0-0Iraq War (UK) 0-0-0Mirage F.1 24-43-20Chadian-Libyan War (France) 0-0-0Afghanistan (France) 0-0-0Paquisha War (Ecuador) 0-0-0Alto-Cenapa War (Equador) 2-0-0Iran-Iraq War (Iraq) 15-35-11?Gulf War (Iraq) 0-8-0Gulf War (Kuwait) 3 (possibly 12)-0-0Western Saharan War (Morocco) 0-0-7Angola Border War (South Africa) 4-0-2Aegean Sea clashes (Greece) 0-1-0Rafale 0-0-0Afghanistan (France) 0-0-0Tornado ADV 0-0-0Gulf War (UK, Saudi Arabia) 0-0-0NFZs (UK) 0-0-0Kosovo (Italy) 0-0-0Iraq War (UK) 0-0-0JF-17 Thunder 0-0-0Waziristan War/NW Pakistan campaigns (Pakistan) 0-0-0J-7 1-0-0Sudanese Civil War (Sudan) 0-0-0Uganda-Tanzania War (Tanzania) 0-0-0Sri Lankan Civil War (Sri Lanka) 1-0-0MiG-21 240-501-[too little information for an accurate count of losses to ground fire]Vietnam War (North Vietnam) 78-95-0Vietnam War (North Korea) 1-0-0Vietnam War (USSR) 6-0-01967 border clashes (Syria) 0-7-0Six-Day War (Egypt) 5-13-Six-Day War (Syria) 0-7-Six-Day War (Iraq) 0-1-War of Attrition (Syria) 7-56War of Attrition (USSR) 0-5-0War of Attrition (Egypt) 18-93Yom Kippur War (Syria) 30-26Yom Kippur War (Egypt) 26-65Yom Kippur War (Iraq) 1-9Egypt-Libya Border War (Egypt) 6-1Soviet-Iranian border clashes (USSR) 1-0-0Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Syria) 5-26Lebanon War 1982 (Syria) 2-38Turkish border violation 1986 (Syria) 1-0-0Ogaden War (Somalia) 1-6Angola Bush War (Angola) 1-3Congo Civil War (Zaire) 0-0-0Congo Civil War (Angola) 0-0-1Uganda-Tanzania War (Uganda) 0-0-1Uganda-Tanzania War (Tanzania) 0-0-1Mozambique Civil War (Mozambique) 1-0-0Sudanese Civil War (Sudan) 0-0-3Somali Civil War (Somalia) 0-0-0Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Ethiopia) 0-3Iran-Iraq War (Iraq) 32-40Gulf War (Iraq) 0-4-0Indo-Pakistani War 1965 (India) 0-0-Indo-Pakistani War 1971 (India) 6-1-Kargil War (India) 0-0-1Soviet-Afghan War (Afghanistan) 0-4Atlantique Incident 1999 (India) 1-0-0Afghan Civil War 1992-1996 (United Front) 4-0-Afghan Civil War 1992-1996 (Dostum-Gulbuddin Militia) 0-2-Abkhazian War (Georgia) 0-0-0Nagorno-Karabakh War (Azerbaijan) 0-0-6Nagorno-Karabakh War (Armenia) 0-0-11986 Cuban border incursion (Cuba) 1-0-0Slovenian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0Croatian War (Yugoslavia) 1-0-7Croatian War (Croatia) 0-0-1Bosnia (Serbia) 0-0-0Kosovo (Serbia) 1-0-0Balloon shootdown (Belarus) 1-0-01966 US-China border violation 1-0-01963 US Czech border violation 1-0-0Korean DMZ (North Korea) 1-0-0Sadah Insurgency (Yemen) 0-0-1, MiG-23 25-102-[too little information for an accurate count of losses to ground fire]Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Syria) 3-2-0Lebanon War 1982 (Syria) 1-30-Israeli UAV shootdown 2002 (Syria) 1-0-0Iran-Iraq War (Iraq) 16-56Gulf War (Iraq) 0-8-0NFZs (Iraq) 0-1-0Gulf of Sidra 1989 (Libya) 0-2-0Egypt-Libya Border War (Libya) 0-2Soviet-Afghan War (USSR) 0-3Iran-Afghan border violations (USSR) 4-0-0Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Ethiopia) 0-1Angola Bush War (Cuba) 0-0-0MiG-25 8-8-1War of Attrition 0-0-0Yom Kippur War 0-0-0Syrian border clashes 1974-1981 (Syria) 0-2-0Iran-Iraq War (Iraq) 5-1-0Syrian-Iraqi border violation (1986) (Iraq) 1-0-0Soviet-Iranian border violations (1986-87) (USSR) 0-2-0Gulf War (Iraq) 1-2-0NFZs (Iraq) 1-1-0Nagorno-Karabakh War (Azerbaijan) 0-0-1, Did you know that MiGFlug once offered Edge of Space flights in the MiG-25 Foxbat?MiG-29 6-18-1Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Syria) 0-2-0Gulf War (Iraq) 0-5-0Transnistria War (Moldova, Russia) 0-0-0Brothers in Rescue incident (Cuba) 2-0-0Slovenian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0Croatian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0Bosnia (Serbia) 0-0-0Kosovo (Serbia) 0-6-0Kargil War (India) 0-0-0Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Eritrea) 3-5-0Georgian border violation 2008 (Russia) 1-0-0Darfur War (Sudan) 0-0-1, Su-27 6-0-2Abkhazia War (Russia) 0-0-1First Chechen War (Russia) 1-0-0South Ossetia War (Russia) 0-0-0Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Ethiopia) 5-0-0Somali Civil War (Ethiopia) 0-0-0Angolan Civil War (Angola) 0-0-1.
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