- No, not necessarily. Would bookshelves on a desk sound as good as it would on a stand?

It has to look good, it has to be something that we can ship without having to, you know buy a whole ship for them, so. - So rounding this discussion up. It'd be nice to have something durable that doesn't scratch the floor. AVForums.com is owned and operated by M2N Limited, - Yes, actually the stand for a speaker serves two purposes.

If you have a carpet make sure the spikes penetrates the carpet and goes directly onto the typically concrete floor underneath. So most speakers are tuned to work on a stand that is about 60 centimeters. My name's Christopher and I'm your host.

There are a number of solutions it seems little understood. - Generally we go for the completely dead stand so that's why we are making a compartment in the stands for sand or lead or something similar. So you negate the problems of the stand moving. We also want it to look nice so you'll actually want to put it in your living room.

It's up to you.

So it shouldn't be wobbly. You are using an out of date browser. Powered by Xenforo, Hosted by Nimbus Hosting, Original design Critical Media Ltd. And if they're heavy enough that means they won't. You must log in or register to reply here. Whole house audio and home theater speakers. Watch as Otto Jrgensen, our Customer CareManager,discusses exactly this in the first-ever episode. Do you think you can do that? Here is what I did, to mitigate the effect of a suspended wooden floor. - The idea is to either make it not move at all or make the movement to have as little bad sound as possible. Otherwise it would have to be bigger to make the wood work if you did that I guess it could work but it would also not look as nice in your living room. What's room acoustics really all about? Anyone have good experience with a 6mm foot on a hardwood floor they can recommend? My solution was to buy some Auralax SubDudes which aren't expensive and look really nice. So you want to decouple it from the floor. It gives mass which is good, solidity of sound, but that increased mass gives more store and release, so sometimes detail is lost. If you have any more questions, please share them with us - and the rest of our community - on our, Adding an extra dimension to your speakers: Subwoofers. I want to show the design of the Stand 20 here. It kind of reacts differently. Im not sure how it would play out with massier stands, but I got better focus and tighter bass by driving 4 cross headscrews into the carpeted floor and sitting the spikes in the tops of the screws. It's the same thing with our big floor standing loud speakers. Thin rigid structures couple energy to a larger earth like a concrete float floor. I stick felt pads or pennies underneath the spikes (I couldn't tell the difference in sound or bass response). Press J to jump to the feed. I didn't really see the point in splashing out 60m2 on wooden floor then covering it with a rug. SuperSpikes? Granite and hard rigid substances do not isolate (decouple) they couple. One of them is that even though we want people to put them on stands, a lot of people will actually place them on the wall on a mount. - The next one is from Francis. I stopped use spikes many years ago. FWIW. What Do Speaker Spikes Actually Do & Do I Need Them? Providing you with peace of mind and the assurance of premium Quality. But in reality a slight difference in height doesn't really make a difference because you're sitting some feet or meters away from the stand. The Contour and Confidence line, for instance, does have inserts in the speakers. This website uses the TMDb API but is not endorsed or certified by TMDb. If we actually look at one of our stands, you'll see that we have different kinds of properties we want in a stand. That would make absolutely no sense. - I gotta give you, you said probably not and you couldn't really, so you gotta answer quickly. So, yeah, that's what the suggestion is. But if you are then coupling it to a wooden floor that itself will vibrate, then that's not really a good option.

The stands will work better if filled.

- Otto, we've just talked about, you know, what should you use between the speaker and the stand.

Not all stands actually adhere to that, but ours do. I currently have B&W N802 speakers resting on small felt pads directly on a wood floor which is cemented to the concrete pad underneath. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. You must log in or register to reply here. If it's a hard floor, like a concrete floor, that includes a carpeted concrete floor or something similar, tiles You're very often well off by using spikes towards the floor. Will spikes likely improve the resolution? How do you place and calibrate your loudspeakers? But, yeah, weight helps. You're sitting on the couch, your kids are playing, you're going oh my god please don't run into the stands and the speakers.

You have to appreciate that.

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You can watch the entire video by starting the player above - or find the particular question you find most interesting below and start from there. How would no spikes and resting on marble boards fair, again on a wooden floor mainly covered with a thick rug ? Depending on the speaker, the floor, the room it's placed in. Keep an eye out for the next Ask the Expert, and keep the questions coming. Im also looking, as ive lost the cones from my speakers and the spikes are now destroyong my floor. Will spikes likely help or hurt the base response? What you can say is that there's a kind of accepted rule of thumb that a stand is about 60 centimeters high. Oh, so you prefer reading? Below you'll find the full transcript of our conversation with Otto. That's not a problem. http://valhalla-technology.dk/en/3-speaker-feet, Rural Leics [system 1] & Kendal [systems 2 & 3], Sonus Faber Liuto Monitor with Stands - Reduced 1100, Custom Design FS104 Signature Premium Speaker Floor Stands 24" Inch Black CHROME. So if you're reusing the stand, those inserts won't necessarily fit your stand anyway. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075KHNK62/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glc_fabc_NZDQ8C1R8GPAA44B85G8?psc=1.

Hi Fi Racks Isolation Cup Floor Protectors for Spikes Pack of 4 Black, Prevent damage to your floor and AV furniture, HiFix is a holding of Hi-Fi Excellence Ltd. You're kinda weighing it down even more.

This might be a nice solution for 'er indoors as you can choose a nice colour to match the decor. But is any one of these school of thoughts better than the other one? - Yeah, so there's actually a lot of things that we're doing to prevent those kind of situations where it becomes dangerous because the kids were playing in the living room.

Can you talk a little bit about that again?

As we did last time, we'll make sure keep an eye out for any interesting questions to bring to the next episode of Ask The Expert. If it's a few centimeters in, not that important. That's the advice we got from our acoustic team after actually testing this stuff. And provided again, you put some weight into the stand. And then you make sure that, again, the speaker sits completely firm with the floor Because concrete floor won't move. - Yes, we've made a lot of effort into the design of the stand to make sure that it doesn't only sound good but we also have the safety concerns in place. - Is there any one of the school of thoughts that we adhere to or recommend? It's a question we get so often that we decided to do an episode of Ask the Expert about it. Sub Support; Spikes? So what we did is, one, we make sure that we adhere to the regulations that if you tilt the stand out 10 degrees with the speaker mounted on top, it should always fall back instead of falling over. The effect for me was an immediate improvement.

Like directly on the table or something like that. But i have no exoerience with them.. I think the blurry base is caused by the sound being transmitted through the frame to the floor, so that the floor is effectively a big soundboard ! From your date of purchase your product is warranted against faulty materials or workmanship for a period of 12months.

You also want to be able to adjust that position because rooms are different, speakers are different, so the actual position in your room will vary. Its got to be about 15 years ago I was installing Astaro firewalls that came with adhesive feet. And with our engineers' blessings about stands' effectiveness, we could probably have left it at that, but where's the fun in that? So because of the disbursement of the speakers, a few centimeters doesn't really make the difference. - Because it takes a lot from a speaker, you know to excite a concrete floor, obviously. - I don't know if people can actually see them if I pick it up. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. That's a better choice. So we actually have these, kind of adjustments where the spikes. That should be enough, together with the speaker, to actually push those feet down so that you're sitting on top of the carpet but you'll put pressure on the carpet and it will stand quite firm on top of the carpet. So that's why it works better. Frankly doesn't matter if you use spikes or not on these boards, though I tend to do so as they allow me to adjust to get the speaker dead level. We really do hope you are pleased with your purchase but should you wish to return anything bought from us, we will be happy to refund or exchange a product within30 days. Today we have Otto Jrgensen with us. Maybe do it in a simplistic way before you spend a lot of money on on the tweaks for a certain kind of approach. Because, one, you don't want to see them knock the speakers down.

But we're actually taking that very seriously in the design of the stands.

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Our community has been around for many years and pride ourselves on offering unbiased, critical discussion among people of all different backgrounds. - Otto, the first question is from Andreas and David. If they're heavy enough, that works fine. I'm considering putting the B&W N802 spikes back on the speakers (they were used when I had carpeting in the room) and protect the wood floors with "tendercups" which are small metal devices that accept the spikes and protect the wood floor. However the engineered stuff is available in a wider range of woods at the wooden floor centres I have visited. Chopping Boards? If you have any more questions, please share them with us - and the rest of our community - on ourFacebook pageor directly in the comment section on YouTube. What do you mean by isolating.

- The second one is whatever the speaker is placed on, if that's actually playing along with the speaker, when the speaker is moving the woofer in the speaker is moving, you don't want something to vibrate along with the speaker. So then it just might be a hassle to make it work to the original stand. - But I guess, I wanna go back to the thing you said about carpet on concrete floor, because you have to make sure that the stand pushes through or the spikes pushes through that carpet and if you just have a really lightweight stand put on that carpet it's not necessarily that it's gonna do that. Email us for Expert Advice or anything else: Milty Foculpods Vibration Supports 4 Pack, Milty Permaclean Record/CD/DVD Cleaning System, Hi Fi Racks Isolation Cup Floor Protectors for Spikes Pack of 4 Steel. - Final one, Yuen, would placing a heavy object like a brick on top of the speaker with a stand beneath it actually help, would that do anything for the sound performance? - All right, but back to what I said.

- In our testing we did a lot of research trying to figure out which way to go here, but what we kind of found out is that it's different. The other one is using rubber. That's because sand is fairly heavy and easy to get and cheap, so that's used by a lot of people. And they're asking why don't your speakers bolt to the stand? Mail order audio sites like Audio Advisor and Mapleshade sell footers (like the ones below) that go under the spikes. etc. It's not really that exact because sometimes the speakers are disbursing the sound differently. Ive just had our wooden floors at home sanded and lacquered and its time to put the furniture back on it. So it should fill the stand with sand or lead.

Enjoy. And they want to know if it's wood or metal?

So the overall stand, once you have it filled, would probably be worse if it was wood. There's different kinds of materials, so if you end up with the same end result, then the acoustics would theoretically be the same, so it would just kind of look different. The kind of material will make a small difference but not necessarily a big one. - Otto, the next question's from Sven. If you still want to be more safe that that, we have holes here so that you can put screws, into the cabinet of the speaker, so you can bolt it to the stand. ATACAMA SPIKE SHOES SET OF 4 BLACK 12.95 at hifix.co.uk, The BMF 15s - 15" Active DSP 2-way DIY Build, DEFLEX POLIPODS HiFi Audio Isolation/Damping pads/feet on eBay, also Turntable Parts Accessories, Turntables, Home Audio Hi Fi, Consumer Electronics (end time 12-Nov-08 13:28:33 GMT). This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Together with our Product Manager, Otto Jrgensen, we explore why stands make a difference in your hi-fi setup on this episode of Ask the Expert.

So that means using some kind of rubbery substance or something soft between the stand and the floor. - Sean, So will layers of play mats work as an alternative to speaker isolation pads? You are using an out of date browser. Hi-Fi Excellence Ltd,163 Spon Street, Coventry, CV1 3BB.

We've talked to our Acoustic Engineer, Kristoffer Jrgensen, to learn more about this enormous topics. And then you wouldn't actually have space for the sand that you want to put in the stand to make it heavy. Panasonic 65FZ802 : Roksan Xerxes: Roksan Tabriz Zi : Ortofon Quintet Blue : Musical Fidelity MX-VYNL : Rasberry Pi4 & Allo Digi One+ HAT streamer running Volumio : | KEF IQ7SE | KEF IQ8DS | KEF IQ60C | YAM RX3800 | BK Monolith | XBOX ONE S |. Photos: Filling stands is a double edged sword. - Yeah those are the two most commonly used materials. As Uzzy said speakers on the wall can solve lots of issues, especially if your standing most of the time it could be the ideal solution. We want to give a big thanks to all of those who posted questions. - Before we started filming we were talking about this question actually, and you were talking about two school of thoughts in the whole, should it be heavy, should it be light. Just make sure that it actually penetrates where it's placed, make sure it penetrates the carpet to reach the floor, that's with the hard floors.

So you need to be able to adjust it. We want it to be critically good.

So if you do that, we also want it to still look nice, and having inserts in the bottom of the speaker doesn't necessarily look nice when you put it on the wall. Just moved into a new place and regretting tossing the silicone(?) - Yeah you could say that you could make a stand either to be as heavy as possible so that, as I said, it doesn't move when the speaker is playing. No movement, no marking, no vibrations. If we make this in wood, the sides of the jute would have to be a lot thicker. Possible option if you go the remove spikes route? Cant see how those polipods work / stay upright with say floorstanders.?

Ok suspended wooden floor means you need to isolate the speakers (or the stands they sit on) from the floor. Yeah, we have a compartment for cable, we have a compartment for sand. Hi Fi Racks products are designed and manufactured to the highest quality standards. But still two school of thoughts and try both out. For the lower ranges, generally we don't have these inserts in the speakers and there's a few reasons for that. So sometimes it's better to not fill it completely. But, I'm putting you in some constraints here because you've got to answer quickly.

My Ushers are on Partington Broadsides and filling them with sand made a massive difference, btw kiln dried sand can be had from B&Q very cheaply, wives don't appreciate a sandy oven.

It may not display this or other websites correctly. All good advice. discusses exactly this in the first-ever episode. So again, it would add to the sound. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Stands and safety - how do you manage risk? Sit on it before you put the speaker on it just to make sure you push through that carpet.

Decoupling in terms of springs, rubber blocks, half squash balls, even blutack to a degree, are filters, they are the isolators. And Otto you're a product manager here at Dynaudio. This was good for me as I'm a crap DIYer, but not in a position to buy expensive Townsend or Gaia solutions. Apparently solid wooden floors are no use for a kitchen, yet engineered ones are and I've found the majority of engineered stuff is more expensive than the solid flooring too! Was that quick enough?

- Yeah that's, depending on the situation what is practically possible and make sense I would simply try to try out both ways of doing it.

JavaScript is disabled. Someone else had suggested self adhesive rubber feet, and it got me thinking. I tried gel pads under large floorstanders on suspended timber on joists flooring but they weren't very effective at decoupling the speakers. - Well we can both relate to that issue.

- Otto, I think that we should continue discussing materials because the next question, the question is from Ricardo and Sergio and Jonathan. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. - But as you said, even though there is like the rule of being 60 centimeters, it doesn't really matter if it's 60 or 59 or 61?

And just filling it up, two thirds of the way, right? - Yeah, bad for sound and also not very stable. - Yes, some floors are easier than others, you could say.

So you can actually bolt it to the stand. So if you can bolt the speaker acoustically to the floor then you make sure that you're only listening to the speaker and not the stand or the floor. My solution was to buy some Auralax SubDudes which aren't expensive and look really nice.

If you discover a better solution, let me know. - Let's give it a try. Today we are going to talk about stands.

1 Home Entertainment Tech Community & Resource. If it's a bare, hard floor you could also decouple it, it's again, different schools of thought.

We also do sell a wall mount.

And so for the speaker not actually falling off, we have two solutions. - It does make a difference. I have a similar problem because (1) my speaker stands have to use spikes or felt pads, because the screws on the bottom aren't flush (so it'd be wobbly) and (2) I rent, so damaging the floor is a no-no. - So two school of thoughts and you could go either way? Concrete floors you try to really bold it tightly together with them and carpets on concrete you do the same.

.cant afford sky anyway thats why im gona be a freesat fan no matter how bad it is or isnt !! Since we were rack mounting these things, I held onto the feet, cause you never know. - I mean in reality it's about making something that doesn't move when the speaker is playing. Got about 30 remaining and they have done a perfect job. Again, you have two schools of thought here. - Cool, so lead is better because it has more density and two thirds of the way and you're golden. And my mom said being a (mild) pack rat was bad.

Hello and welcome to Ask the Expert. | Ledger Note, AcousTech-Speaker Dots-Isolation Devices|Acoustic Sounds, Leveling Mounts - Hardware Supplies - Grainger Industrial Supply, Understanding Coupling/Decoupling - with particular reference to loudspeakers, Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. - Okay, and is it because it's, you said, it's heaviest or and it's more dense, does that help with the vibrations, or? Do i just remove thespikes, and then perhaps fit a sorbathene sheet under the speakers or stand bases to 'decouple' them ? The first one, the most important thing actually, is to place the speaker in the room. But remember all filters also *reflect* energy back at some frequency often unpredictably. I use soft feet. To see the floor damage in some shops dem rooms back then was hillarious. - Oh no, that would work perfectly with stands. - But you could actually make something out of wood just remember to make it really big. Presumably the spikes are only for solid floors.

If you use lead there's also a price to take care of.

And that's when you have a wooden floor and a carpet on top of that. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled.

And that's where Iain and Jack's questions come into play. - Good, five quick questions. Audio System: Linn Axis/AT OC5, Naim 72/HiCap/140, Sony SCD-XE680 SACD Player, Custom-built 4-way (KEF) speakers. As for how they sound that would totally depend on the room and were you eventually position them, its just a pity graphic equalizers have gone out of fashion, as just tweaking those frequencies a tad can be the solution to numerous issues. Are you referring to spikes under the speakers or speaker stands? So how do we actually couple it away from the floor without having a wobbly stand. - Yeah and we take other stuff into consideration as well as you started by saying, right. It will help (along with furniture, curtains and stuff on the walls) but everyone I spoke to basically said I should prepare myself for a drop in sound quality, more echoes, harsher sound etc. And we have an adapter plate that fits the speaker. For you convenience you can choose multiple shipping options on the checkout page. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. - No, then maybe sit on the stand before you put the speaker on it! And carpets on wooden floors, stands that are really heavy.

Lead is actually better because it's heavier, it's about four times as heavy at the same amount. Otto, we are running out of time, sadly, and before we end I just wanna say thank you for joining us, it's been a pleasure as always. How do I know if I should use spikes or rubber between the stand and what it's placed on? And in different scenarios it provides different results. - Yeah, most likely like I said, any kind of difference does make a difference, So how big it is you could also argue, but adding more weight will help make sure that only the drivers are playing and not the speaker. Normally hand built to order around 4 to 6 weeks. And even though we're running out of time, I really want you to answer them. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Back in the flat earth they hammered the stand spikes down into the floor. Copyright 2000-2022 M2N Limited E. & O.E.

Go figure.

- Otto, we have a few questions that are really good. - I think that stands are highly underrated. Thank you! The other way is you could use some kind of rubbery material some soft material to decouple it from the stand so that when the speaker is playing it won't actually make the stand move. - So it's about getting your hands on some lead? So you can do that in a lot of ways. JavaScript is disabled. How do you take proper care of your loudspeakers? The Hi Fi racks isolation cup floor protectors are designed to protect your floor from the effects of spikes on speaker stands and equipment stands, ideal to protect wooden or tiled floors and come in packs of 4. Good luck with the DIY. So, various materials could work, yeah. We have to take all these safety concerns into account as well. Orders received before 1:00 pm* will be despatched the same day and can be delivered for next working day, (except bank holidays). Next one, Florian, should the top plate's dimensions fit exactly with the speaker's bottom?

You want to get it away from walls. - But I guess it's still good to know that you - you should either go this way or that way, and then you should try both and see which works in my particular setup, but don't go like in-between either one I don't know if you can even go in-between and have like rubber on one side and spikes on the other. So the first one is from Davidson Audio. So the more dense the material is, the more heavy the stand will be and the more difficult it will be for the speaker to actually move the stand. works a treat. - Would it work as an alternative, yes. They eventually poke through the felt pads, though. They put a barrier to energy transmision, and as with all filters mechanical or electrical filters are tuned and operate best at certain frequencies in terms of block / filter out transmission. They just transfer vibrations from the speakers to the floor and also make the speakers rock in the bass region. I have a pair for Monitor Audio RS6 speakers, currently on carpet, with spikes on the bottom. So, in one of them you can either bolt them or use spikes. I've got 2 1/2 inch spikes piercing carpet to the slab- hope the wife doesn't figure it out. SAFE ONLINE SHOPPING WITH SECURE PAYMENT METHODS. http://www.audioadvisor.com/products.asp?dept=66&pagenumber=2&sort_on=title&sort_by=. If you have spousal responsibilities, spike the speakers directly to the floor and ask forgiveness if your spouse notices and gets upset.

I mean the concept is to isolate it, to have some sort of soft material to make sure that it doesn't vibrate. We will also email with your tracking and dispatch information. A different reason is, when we're in the lower ranges, maybe people want to reuse the stand instead of buying a dedicated stand specifically for that model. The stands do raise the speaker to a more desirable height as well as being some isolation from the floor and keeping those cabinets rigid. So for some speakers, it should be different.

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use some method to isolate the speakers/stand combination from the floor. - We got a question from Diego. - Cool, and with that final note, I wanna say thanks for all the questions. - Actually some of the speakers do bolt to the stand. And Damien, and Luiz and Simon they got it down to two different materials, sand or lead. That will make it even more safe than that. Costs little to try and the holes make little impact onthe carpet or the floor underneath. So that's also something we take into account.

And he's interested to know if a stand should be a certain height to work optimally. Back walls and side walls. Web Enquiries: 02476 631 707 Showroom Enq: 02476 525 200. But the actual properties are basically about how how firm is it, how stable is it, does it move when the speaker is playing. - Yeah, it's an important thing to not knock them over. Do your tests show that it matters which material I use between speakers and stands? But let's talk about what you should do between the stand and the floor now. Two of my mates have laminate/sold floors and it does sound quite harsh at times but these are tiny modern flats with big sofas so it's not too bad imho but if I'm honest doesn't sound a patch on mine. I have a dog and a two-year old running around and I dont trust the speakers to just stand on the stands without getting knocked off. So yeah, sure, you are adding it at a very high level so you have enough gravity to take into account also. You can reach that in a lot of ways. i made them an offer of 8 for 8, which was accepted. And metal makes it a lot more free to design the products to actually fulfill all of these expectations. But the question is which is better?

Unfortunately, we can only steal our experts away for ashort amount oftime, so we haven't been able to answer each and every one of the great questions we received. The No. This is a question that comes up from time to time, and the answers are varied but similar, i.e.

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