While the Breaking Bad series finale serves as the final hurrah for Walter White, it now seems as though its just the first act of the emancipation and redemption of one Jesse Pinkman. Its not only a powerful speech; its crucial to Jesses development. fans, which unfortunately make up about 50% of the fanbase from my anecdotal experience. Even when Jesse is reduced to a bystander in an evil event, he is always the one to receive the lions share of trauma from it. After Walt does arguably the first selfless thing in his life and rescues Jesse, Jesse rides off to freedom in a stolen El Camino.. Jesses girlfriend Jane overdoes and chokes to death on her own vomit overnight. Theyre not there, but their neglected young son is. I couldn't agree more. Even tho he had shot and killed dozens of soldiers before this it was the fact that he killed a man who directly posed no threat to him but knew he had to anyway.

I guess the only difference is Gale was a nice person, but he was still a criminal in a dangerous business, who knew he could've ended up dead or in prison. No one! Gale-- although innocent-- posed a similar threat to Jesse and Walt. A subreddit for fans and critics of the hit television series Breaking Bad on AMC. Everything Everywhere All at Once Discussion, Paws of Fury: The Legend of Hank Discussion, Marcel the Shell with Shoes On Discussion. Theres a sense of resigned acceptance from Jesse throughout the proceedings. Big difference between the 2 situations. Also, Krazy-8 was kinda nice. I guess I relate this to Band of Brother where one of the characters is traumatized by killing an unarmed German. Walt and Jesse's antics just sped up that timeline. He was freaking out after he realized that the gas wasn't going to kill K-8. Misery has this weird way of always finding Jesse on Breaking Bad. However: So, he ruined Jesses life AND killed an innocent man just to save his own skin after backing himself into a corner. One could argue these were all justified, including Gale, as they were done to save lives, but it's still murder. Really, theyre all immoral, but driven by different principles that align with some audiences and not others. He had various opportunities before the coin flip to deal with Krazy-8 himself and was visibly relieved when he got to deal with Emiliodespite saying minutes earlier that he wasn't good with dead bodies. Here you will find discussions and speculations about the show, pictures from the show, AMA's with the cast, and anything else Breaking Bad related. The man who figures everything out couldn't calculate something like this. When you're in that business, you aren't safe. They weren't nice people by any means and there was some element of self-defense in all of the kills. I would argue Gale was Jesse's first direct murder. Better Call Saul Season 6: When Will Walt and Jesse Show Up? Tucco, the rival dealers, and Krazy-88 were all violent men who were willing to kill others. He should have killed Jesse and Jane the second they tried to blackmail him. About Tuco, Jesse was just trying to live he was sure he was seconds from death and even then he doesn't do anything that actually kills Tuco and stands down the second that Tuco is no longer a direct threat to his life. He tried to poison him, which would've been extremely painful. And therein lies the beauty of Jesses character. Jesse wouldn't have even gotten the chance to get close to Brock. Had Walt not been involved he wouldn't have lasted very long he wouldn't have been able to kill K-8 and would have never been able to depose of the dead body. Jesse can seemingly do nothing but care. So it's not strictly a do or die matter. I mean, if we want to be obvious, of course Walter turning himself into the police and accepting jail would be the morally correct decision. Of all the tragic events in Jesses life, the killing of Gale is like the second Grand Breaking after the death of Jane.. Sure, Gale was a criminal, but he was a nonviolent one. We can see his goodness through the tremendous pain hes put himself through all these misadventures. That's even worse than Gale. Breaking Bad Creator Vince Gilligan Rats Out Jesse Pinkman, The Best San Diego Comic-Con Collectibles: An eBay Buyer's Guide, Star Wars Finally Fixes Prequel Era Plot Hole That Hurt Original Trilogy, We Now Know Why Game of Thrones Spinoff Bloodmoon Was Canceled, Resident Evil: Every Story Ranked Worst to Best, Breaking Bad: The Jesse Pinkman Moments That Led to El Camino. A young and desperate man starts doing some illegal things, but would never even consider hurting anyone. But even if it did, the stunning performance of Aaron Paul made it a near impossibility for Gilligan to follow through on his initial plan. Aaron Paul was a revelation as Jesse Pinkman, racking up three Emmy victories and turning what could have been a simple sidekick character into an indispensible witness to mankinds heart of darkness. Perhaps he can begin to right some wrongs inEl Camino. Breaking Bad has so many plot holes it could literally be mistaken for Swiss cheese. Once he possessed all of Walt's knowledge, it rendered walt and Jesse completely expendable. Breaking Bad is an inherently exciting show and its thrilling to watch Walt and Jesse climb up the corporate ladder of drug dealing operations in the Southwest. I never heard anyone say that Walt is a moral person.

In fact, not even getting into the Meth business in the first place and accepting the free job from Elliot in season 1 would have been the ultimate morally correct decision. You get it? How much money did Walt have at that point? https://twitter.com/aaronpaul_8/status/1165686413918167040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw, Jesse, Walt, and all the headaches they create for Gus dispensable., says he envisioned Jesse Pinkman dying at the conclusion, The Orville: New Horizons Season 3 Episode 8 Review Midnight Blue, What We Do in the Shadows Season 4 Takes Advice From Fred Armisen, Only Murders in the Building Season 2 Episode 5 Review: The Tell. Not only that but it was the first person Jesse killed that wasn't already trying to kill him directly. How moronic this reasoning is. Jesse is essentially a slave for nearly all of Felina chained in a basement by Jack and his skinheads to continue to churn out the blue stuff. Jesse presents himself early in the series as being the streetwise partner to Walt's book-wise personality, but that results in him constantly getting into situations he's not prepared for. If he just lets Jesse die, he would have continued to work for Gus. So, he ruined Jesses life AND killed an innocent man just to save his own skin after backing himself into a corner. Its pretty remarkable how early on in the series Janes death occurs but its an event that Jesse carries the scars from for the rest of the series. The second someone threatens to betray you or turn rat that person no matter how close how trustworthy has already betrayed you and turned rat. But then theres that El Camino. He tells the group about the murder of Gale in the only way he can think to articulate it as him having to put down a problem dog. Cause Gus first and foremost is a businessman keeping Walt alive is more profitable. Its as though he understands this is the appropriate fate for him. People argue Walt is a moral and good person? That's why I was so angry when he was the one who ratted on Walt. Jesse calls 9-1-1, hoping the kid will get a better life somewhere, somehow.

Walt's worst decision was leaving Gretchen for Skyler. So I don't really know where you're getting he'd kill the guy without hesitation. The writers strike of 2008 made it so that Breaking Bad season 1 didnt even get an ending for Jesse to be killed in. Even before the incident with the dealers, I believe Walt was on an island in Gus' organization. Walt is actually around to intervene and chooses not to, but Jesse doesnt know that. As for Krazy-88, he was polite, but he was still willing to kill Jesse and Walt before they captured him and he was still going to go through with the murder even after Walt briefly decided to let him go. read more Breaking Bad Movie: Vince Gilligan Has Earned Our Trust. Innocent Gale was a manufacturer of meth for the largest meth kingpin in the West. But oftentimes they die, offscreen, far away from the duo, or because they served as some sort of threat (like Krazy-8 and the two gangsters Walt ran over with his Aztec one episode previous to Full Measure.). The rival dealers had a kid go out and shoot their competition. None of that applies to poor, sweet Gale Boetticher. But the man was involved in organized crime. Jesse betraying him was something he never considered--why? The end of Jesse Pinkmans story will surely come one way or another in El Camino. Do you think killing Gale was the morally right choice? There are also those who say Gus orchestrated the murder of young Tomas to lure Jesse in and have a problem removed. Jesse never sticks up for himself or sells Jake out, giving his brother a second chance and forever casting his lot with the street and the Walter Whites of the world. Even Saul advises Walt of this. He couldn't even hurt Skank and Spooge when he was trying to get his money and meth back from them, despite actually being armed and in charge (for the most part) in that situation. It doesn't bring me joy to make this argument. When people say that Walt is a moral and good person, then you know they either didn't watch the series closely or are one of those "Walter White is a badass who can do no wrong!!!!" Gus does not kill unnecessarily, Without the antics of Jesse Gus has no problem with Walt and its easier to just pay him off and better for business to have two super chemist at hand instead of just one. And all Walt basically said was he should choose to be completely honest with her or he should probably leave her. Gustavo all but tells Gale that hes going to replace Walt after he kills himand Gale didnt warn Walt. People die because of what Walt and Jesse do. But I had always doubted he could actually go threw with it himself. I think the biggest case for Walt's immorality is later when he is fine with their accomplice killing that little kid on the bike. Breaking Bad creator Vince Gilligan, who is refreshingly open about communicating the thought process behind creating one of TVs best ever shows, says he envisioned Jesse Pinkman dying at the conclusion of Breaking Bads first season. The thing that everyone's forgetting is that Walt did care for Jesse, at least at first. Im not turning down the money, Im turning down you! Rewatch the scene when he sees Jesse with Hank and puts it together. Theres no way around that. Walt's worst decision ever?to save Jesse's life. Other than what I just explainedhe'd be long gone by now--dead and probably buried in a shallow grave. I think one reason why Gale's murder affected Jesse more was that Jesse had taken a step towards sobriety, which leads to a lot of self-reflection and repentance. Police would have caught on to Jesse quickly, shoot the only reason he wasn't in jail to begin with was because he happened to be banging the neighbor woman while the DEA raided his operation that Walt witnessed. He manipulated Jesse into killing Gale to save his own life. Jesse gets the address of some meth addicts who ripped out Skinny Pete and heads to their house to confront them. Jesse though? Walter planned to kill Gale on his own, and only made Jesse do it when it was clear to him that Gus would kill him (And later Jesse) if Jesse won't kill Gale ASAP. After Jesse has been beat to within an inch of his life by Hank, Walt comes to the hospital to visit him. And, Brock would be better off not knowing him so well. Gustavo all but tells Gale that hes going to replace Walt after he kills himand Gale didnt warn Walt. By the end of the series, I wanted Walt to be captured or killed, and I wanted Jesse to survive. Alright this one isnt that crucial to Jesses development but we gotta include it. A lot of people forget that in season 3 Walt was happy with the staus quo (working for Gus). But there is one that stands above them all. And of course that someone has to be Jesse because Walt finds himself in the custody of Mike. Also, Jessie owned him after Walter saved his life when he killed the two drug dealers Jessie wanted to kill for killing that little kid. And also when he orders to kill a bunch of people in jail so he won't have to pay them. Killing Jesse with Jane would have solved all of Walt's problems not to mention he would have been half a million dollar richer. That's just too much! Andrea is gone. Instead of sitting back and enjoying it, he left the house, a house that was now stable for the first time in a long time, to go out and save Jesse. I can't argue that Walt shouldn't pay for his sins, but NOT by Jesse's hand. Ever since I met you, everything Ive ever cared about is gone. Alec Bojalad is TV Editor at Den of Geek and TCA member. But hes right; his goodness doesnt matter if hes not in a position to act on it. Well i think Walt should have killed Jesse a lot sooner. I would argue that this situation is very close to "It's me or it's Gale." Breaking Bad is ultimately about humanity, evil, and the often-inseparable nature of the two and Jesse is here to bear witness to all of it. I felt like he was necessary for the show to work as it did, and without him it wouldn't have been close to as good. It would go against his personality just to let Jesse die. Don't even get me started on "character inconsistency". I think there was an actual possibility that Gus would send Walt to Belize before he could escape. I think there is nothing morally wrong with killing someone to save your own life. @MontanaMeth well I don't think Gus would have killed Walt. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He's a great and compelling character but he's a total piece of shit. Jesse Pinkman has a lot of great monologues through Breaking Bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_self-defense. Jesse is usually the first to pay for the sins of he and Walts acts, and the death of Jane Margolis is the first huge cost for Jesse. Is he just supposed to accept that hes a fundamentally good person regardless of how many dogs he kills? I feel that the show would/could have had a much longer shelf life without his character present. He's a manipulative asshole, he poisoned a child.

Walt figured that out and intervened. But the problem is, Jesse never had any problem with cold blooded murder. He is fundamentally a good person. However, I will argue that Jesse didn't have any interest in killing K-8 he wanted him dead sure because he knew that K-8 would def kill them if were to be freed. TODD NO! When the couple returns home, they attempt to open a stolen ATM with the wife eventually killing her husband, Spooge, with a falling ATM to the head. He was a nice guy, as far as we know, but he swam in dangerous waters. When the group urges him to forgive himself, Jesse lashes out. Its like the cat who somehow always gravitates to the feline-phobic in the room. We're talking about morals on a show centered around meth production. He pressured Walt to kill Krazy-8, who was unarmed, injured, tied up and begging for his life. You raise some very valid points. He most definitely should have killed Jesse when he tried to blackmail him again after hank beat him up and Jesse said he wanted to keep cooking in the open despite eyes on him and without any protection and incase he got caught he would just turn Walt in. Still, there are more scores to be settled and another story to be told. Krazy-8 and Emilio were both killed by Walt; Tuco was killed by Hank; the rival dealers were killed by Walt. Jesse is a fundamentally changed person after the loss of Jane. There's a strong implication that violence hardly ever even entered into his dealings until the start of the series. And it was Jesse's idea to kill Tuco. You dont give a shit about me.. The weed, however, belongs to Jake. Jesse is constantly characterised as someone being increasingly pulled out of his depth. Jesse is like the grand witness for all of Breaking Bads events. His old Gray Matter associates Elliott and Gretchen Schwartz offer to pay for his cancer treatments. Maybe trying to settle down with a young woman with a kid was a bad decision on his part--The decision to leave them btw was one that he didn't come to by himselfhe needed to be manipulated into it by Walt. When people say that Walt is a moral and good person, I reply, Yeah, but what about Gale? It is from his hospital bed, that Jesse is finally able to communicate to Walt just what the presence of the great Heisenberg in Jesses life has done to him. Very upset about various sporting events. (Like I said, it's close to it, but not exactly it.). TV Editor at Den of Geek and Television Critics Association member. It's a heroic decision. Gale was Jesse's first kill. With that in mind its worth examining where exactly Jesse has been. When Jesse needs a place to lie low after the Krazy-8 affair, he decides to head home to crash with his parents and his overachieving younger brother, Jake. Well the moment that tells us everything we need to know about Jesse occurs one episode earlier. Walt cares in his own way, but not enough for it to derail his plans for worldwide meth domination. Walt didn't just decide to execute Gale out of the blue. Instead Jesse blames himself for Janes death. Why? You just acknowledged it was self-defense thus morally justifiable. Wow! If Gale was the first time Jesse even considered killing, it would've been so much more powerful, it would've been him truly turning to the "dark side". Everyone he worked with was loyal to Gus, except Jesse. Jesse cares. The noble Jesse chose the latter! Jesse Pinkman was never supposed to make it that long on Breaking Bad. I have never been more alone, I have nothing! Totally agree, Walt should have let that scumbag junkie die at the hands of Gustavo's dealers. And thanks to episodes like Peekaboo the show never loses sight of it. What if he was reasonably afraid that Gus would go after his family or kill him while he is in police custody. Gustavo made it between Walt and Gale. When I say 'innocent' I mean he didn't directly or indirectly harmed or intended to harm Walter. I want nothing to do with you! Why would you get it? And, all the people saying Walt was stupid in the last episode, falling into an obvious traphe did it because he trusts Jesse more than anyone else. Jesse, in my opinion, doesn't have the right. Alright its all gone!

Get the best of Den of Geek delivered right to your inbox! Gale, on the other hand, was educated, nice, and seemed to only be involved with making meth for the science of it. Staring at an innocent, unarmed person pleading for his life would have that kind of effect on anyone. "The worst decision is this cause blah blah blah wouldn't have happened" why not just say the worst decision is even getting into the drug business and cooking meth in the first place and that's the end of that. And what about the rival dealers? Walters choice was between going to the DEA and killing Gale. Jesse killing Gale should've been one of the biggest tragedies in the show. His folks are unsurprisingly not stoked to have their drug-dealing son live with them and when they find some weed they kick him out of the house for good. There's a lot of difference between completely hypothetically thinking about killing someone, wanting to kill someone and actually doing it and Jesse never actually crossed the line into direct killing until he shot Gale - who was someone he didn't even particularly want to kill anyway, it was just that he was convinced there was no other option. Jesse is a sensitive soul, nearly broken from losing Jane, so obviously he has to be the one to kill Gale. No, no no, why? Walt is deeply hurt and defeated. I know this is sort of similar to my last post on Jesse, but my main point is different. There would've been no murder at Gale's apartment, no bombs in the nursing home, no little boy being poisoned, no little boy being shot by Todd.

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